{"id":409,"date":"2017-11-06T10:34:53","date_gmt":"2017-11-06T18:34:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/jick.net\/wordpress\/?p=409"},"modified":"2023-09-12T16:27:01","modified_gmt":"2023-09-12T23:27:01","slug":"409","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/?p=409","title":{"rendered":"Social Fairness?"},"content":{"rendered":"

A conversation on Quora.com<\/a>:<\/p>\n

My Question: “I think that insisting on fairness is toxic in intimate relationships. Is it a safe foundation for societies?<\/b>”<\/p>\n

One of the Answers, from Dave Davidson<\/b>, Biologically founded Philosophy<\/i> (Answered Oct 31, 2017):<\/p>\n

There is a large difference between an intimate relationship, like pair bonding, and the social structures that reside outside the family.\u00a0 I agree that stringently trying to determine fairness in an intimate relationship is not the way to go.\u00a0 But a healthy governing social structure will possess fairness as a main value.\u00a0 Fairness in family dynamics is one thing but if you don\u2019t have a fair society, your family gets to be ruled by a bunch of dangerous and cunning apes.\u00a0 Fairness in society is expressed by how the government physically intervenes among its constituents with the use of laws which have been established by the constituents.\u00a0 \u00a0A law applies equally to all citizens.<\/p>\n

My reply<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

At last, someone who grasps the actual intent of the question!\u00a0 As you say, it is dangerous to trust one\u2019s government, since there is no fixed person to trust.\u00a0 But a social relationship devoid of trust relies on the “completeness” of constitutional law \u2014 every possible abuse must be anticipated and explicitly prohibited.\u00a0 Even if this could succeed, it is then subject to reinterpretation “as times change”, so you have to trust the Supreme Court (or equivalent), which brings us back to the same requirement, albeit at a more manageable level.\u00a0 Common law, on the other hand, acknowledges the necessity of trusting SOMEone, and puts the onus on the “reasonable man” (judge) to be trustworthy. It also fails, of course, but it makes abuses harder to hide; hence all the chopped-off heads in England\u2019s history.<\/p>\n

I don\u2019t have a solution, but I\u2019m starting to get pretty disillusioned with constitutional law.<\/p>\n

Dave’s response<\/strong>:<\/p>\n

To form a healthy constitutional government, I think you are right about inhibiting abuse with strong oversight and the need to possess a great awareness at the point of creating the templates. But an adequate constitutional government will only really be complete in a situation where all the constituent families, basically, know each other.<\/p>\n

You are right about disillusionment.\u00a0 Constitutional law can come into your space and physically force you to alter your behavior.\u00a0 Trustworthy is a hard row to hoe.\u00a0 You start with family and then extend it by observing the behavioral patterns of others and you integrate by paralleling the necessity of your agenda.\u00a0 Trust is a gut feeling which all organic life applies to physical interaction.\u00a0 Getting to where the trust needed for governance becomes acceptable can only be accomplished by the laws which are established and observations of their implementation.<\/p>\n

I think we have a problem.\u00a0 The way I see it, this big government system won\u2019t work.\u00a0 We were made to be governed at the tribal level with around 200 people.\u00a0 The dynamics of the growth of population and resources has allowed us to jury rig systems up to this point, but we are now where population and a complex ability which is supremely toxic make my progeny grasp a very grim future.\u00a0 I know this is pessimistic and even though my belief is such, I also feel that it is not my place to give up hope.<\/p>\n

Me<\/strong>:\u00a0 Well said.\u00a0 May I quote you?\u00a0 I\u2019m teaching a class on “What Will the Future be Like?” and next week\u2019s topic is “Society”.<\/p>\n

Dave<\/strong>: Thank you. It\u2019s an honor.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

A conversation on Quora.com: My Question: “I think that insisting on fairness is toxic in intimate relationships. Is it a safe foundation for societies?” One of the Answers, from Dave Davidson, Biologically founded Philosophy (Answered Oct 31, 2017): There is a large difference between an intimate relationship, like pair bonding,Read More…<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[16],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-409","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-dialogue"],"gutentor_comment":0,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/409","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=409"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/409\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":765,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/409\/revisions\/765"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=409"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=409"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jick.ca\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=409"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}